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Tuesday, May 03, 2005

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Josefina

Poor women. My sister got pregnant at 15, my niece is 21 now. And I couldn´t imagin life without her. This issue deals with brain washing yourself or helping others to brain wash the fact that life is not in our hands and death isn´t also. It means to forget where we come from. It is against nature to kill or eliminate your own offspring.
Perhaps It is a lack of faith in God and ourselves.
Adoption or a responsible family plannification is what will prevent all this. Why having doble standards? Why saving forest and whales and not a human life? Women can choose abortion but cannot choose to regulate their fertility. That is simple;
accomodating things for our own selfish benefit.

Perhaps that life is a good thing, and not a load.
Every time I look at my niece I thank my sister took the right choice.

Angela

Unbelievable. I frankly don't even know where to start with this. Except that the clinic workers had every right to be agitated. Cultural differences or not. This woman is using abortion as birth control. Horrific. I do not feel sorry for her. She shows an utter lack of respect for her body and for human life. There is no excuse for not using some other form of birth control. Ever thought of natural family planning? You know women have a small window to get pregnant every month, perhaps the next time she comes in, and she will again. She needs to be versed on NFP.

AbortionCounselorToo

"But then if one abortion is ok...then 5-10-20-or even 30 should be ok. Why would your staff or even you feel so bad about this? You believe you are helping women, you should actually feel pretty good that she is coming in and receiving her abortions from you."

To all that are asking this question (or some variation on it) look at it from this perspective: Abortion is a surgical procedure. It's minor out-patient surgery but it is SURGERY none-the-less, carrying with it inherent risks. Just as the more you drive a car the more likely you are to get into an accident, the more abortions you have the more likely you are to suffer an infection, perforated uterus, etc. That's just the nature of probability. Also, it can't be easy for your body to go through the hormonal ups and downs of pregnancy and termination again and again and again. Therefore logic would follow that it would be preferable to find a method of birth control that works for you and that you intend to stick with until you are ready to bear children (if ever).
As counselors we do our best to help patients take care of themselves and make informed choices about thier healthcare. A lot of times the frustration over patients with multiple abortions is that there is a part of themselves that they are not tending to, something that they are not dealing with, that goes way beond just the abortion itself and I think that is frequently where the frustration comes from when dealing with this type of patient.

Sarah

If abortion is not the killing of a baby, why does it matter if someone has two or ten of them? If it is only the removal of unwanted cells, why should abortion providers care about repeat abortions? If, on the other hand, abortion IS killing, then why is it leagl, and why should we be promoting it as the answer to difficult pregnancies instead of helping the mothers carry to term?

Sara

Wow, Annmarie, you got a lot of heat to throw from not ever being in that situation!
My mother actually was, she had 2 abortions...does that make her an evil person?
Now that my siblings-I have 4!!!-have all moved out, she's almost falling apart! We have less money now than we did then. She's only 37, and she's run down from raising a family since she was 16...and you want to know something? She did a damn good job. Her life was hard, and the two kids that she would have had would have meant no me...personally I think that everything happens for a reason.

And better girls getting this all done prefessionally than trying to do it themselves. I know a girl, 21 with 2 kids and one more on the way, and she knows she can't afford it, but she doesn't want to be looked down on, hated like everyone in society would, to go get an abortion. And she knows that after she has it, she won't be able to give it up. Should she starve her two other toddlers just because she can't take the discrimination she already gets just for voicing the idea of an abortion? I don't think she should. So now, is secret, she's trying to find some way to kill the baby. And all because she's too scared of what people would say if she got an sbortion...and it's people like you, Annmarie, that make people like her feel bad for this, bad for wanting a good life for her two kids than a hard, half life for three.
Until you know, don't go around judging every person that gets an abortion.

annmarie

I have known many women who have had repeated abortions...and it does not surprise me your staff would feel as they did...You would like to believe one is enough wouldn't you, that they somehow learned their lesson. But then if one abortion is ok...then 5-10-20-or even 30 should be ok. Why would your staff or even you feel so bad about this? You believe you are helping women, you should actually feel pretty good that she is coming in and receiving her abortions from you. Besides she is helping you pay the bills. You didn't say that any of these are free abortions..your little way of helping her out so that she can save for the tubal......I am not saying you and your staff should not have these feelings but this is the nature of the beast...

I have always lived by "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen"...

Emily

This is a very sad story and thanks for sharing it. I know a number of women (through post-abortion ministry) who have had multiple abortions. I'm not saying this to get into the forced abortion argument, but one particular woman who sought me out when she was pregnant and looking for some perspective was an immigrant from mainland China, in her late 30s with a history of many abortions. As we talked, I saw that the abortions (and she did abort this particular pregnancy also) were something that her husband just expected her to do. They had two boys and were raising them to a certain standard of living, and whatever wishes she might have had to be a mom again were not going to be part of the picture.

Kim

I feel that perhaps adoption for a needy family would benifit both parties
The family needs a child and the mother needs the money.

She will no doubt have phychological after-effects concerning these abortion

Abortion Victim

Anabanana

Well, you don't have to pay for all 5 abortions at the same time, like you would for a tubal. It's easier to come up with $300 every year than $2000 once. This country has a serious problem with sterilization access- we'll subsidize the hell out of people who bear children, but there's little help for someone who responsibly says "You know, I just can't afford any more."

Christina Dunigan

Prayers for this poor woman and her family.

Grace

Yeeow. lou, I agree with you totally. I cannot fathom where this woman is coming from, yet I cannot understand how 5 abortions could be preferable to even the most inconvenient form of birth control.

How can she afford 5 abortions and not a tubal ligation?

Roni

whoa...it's amazing she's still as positive about life after all she's been thru.

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