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Sunday, July 27, 2008

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Julie

Lucille, I could not disagree with you any more. I say the fetus is only "potential" because something could still go wrong with the pregnancy which would require an abortion to save the mother.
The U.S. Constitution says at birth, we become PERSONS with inalienable rights. No one has the right to legally kill a person because the victim is perceived as a "threat". Big difference there.

Zelda

The entire premise of compassion at an abortion clinic is flawed because in order to ensure a "good abortion" someone has to die and the hired assasin on this page has to reassemble the body parts to make sure there nothing is left behind to infect the mother.

The so-called compassion is limited to a few hours in a clinic. Try to tell an pro-abortionist you feel guilty for having an abortion and see how compassionate they are.

Lucille

Jenna,

Choice is not some sacred word that makes whatever choice you make equivalent to some other choice.

There are good choices and bad choices; illegal choices and legal choices; there are indifferent choices. If my shopping cart is about to careen into a nearby vehicle, one could argue that although preventing a collision interferes with my efforts to preserve the portion of my life that needs relaxation, it would be a bad choice to take no action to prevent damage to the vehicle.

A woman who thinks her birth control "failed" her IS a weak woman. Weak, or lacking foresight. We all know that every form of birth control has a failure rate. So if you are not in a position to give birth under any circumstances, maybe the more intelligent approach would be to fully concentrate on that portion of your life which is such a strong priority at that time and don't participate in procreative activities. If your non-procreative priorities are less stringent and you become pregnant unexpectedly, perhaps you could adjust your priorities and see what life brings to you. Then you are not selfishly placing your potential over the potential of your child.

Lucille

Julie,

Certainly you are not attempting to equate a spontaneously occurring abortion to an induced abortion? In a spontaneously occurring abortion, a woman has not unwittingly DONE anything.

Lucille

Julie,

You may want to re-think what distinguishes someone from being a "potential" someone from an actual someone (or whatever other term you would like to use). You say there are no guarantees until after birth, which makes the fetus only a potential child. I guess that makes ALL of us potential someones since there are NEVER any guarantees, even after our birth. Just think of the consequences of THAT fact, if you extend your logic.

If you combine your logic with Jenna's logic, then any of us potentials could legitimately be snuffed out by anyone who feels that we pose some threat to their idea of what is necessary to "preserve, protect, or support some portion of [their] life."

I imagine Jeffrey Dahmer could relate with that.

Kelly

I just had an abortion last week. My first and last. The thing that made the whole experience bearable was the compassion and kindness that everyone at the clinic showed me. When the Doctor entered the room - he bothered to come over and comfort me before hand. The nurse held my hand the whole time. And as we walked down the hall before hand, the aide joked around as if nothing out of the ordinary was going on. If I hadn't had that kindness and comfort - this whole situation would have been completely different. To those detractors who don't believe that women having an abortion deserve kindness - please remember that we are all human. It has been the hardest decision of my life and I know it will be something that will forever follow me. But now I have a second chance to make sure that when I do have a child - I will be able to provide them with the best life possible.

Julie

Carla, Lucille, chill! Having an abortion is not killing your "child". It's a fetus, a potential child, because nothing is guaranteed until it is born. Are you are aware an estimated 50-60% of fertilized eggs either fail to implant, or die after implantation and miscarry (the medical term is "spontaneous abortion") before the 12th week of pregnancy?
If you believe human life begins at conception, a lot of women have unwittingly killed their "child"(ren). No warmed recliners or cookies for them, I suppose.

Julie

WHAT?! So a frown or a smile at a certain time will subtly influence people? Beter inform the CPCs so they can "subtly" influence women towards going to term. Oh, wait. They already do that by lying to women about abortion.

Jenna

Lucille,
The IT is our own Life. Without our own Life, there can be no other potential lives. Many Women choose an abortion to preserve, protect, or support some portion of their life. That's why it's their choice.

And, I think you would greatly benefit from doing some actual research regarding why and which Women have an abortion. Your assumption that they are "weak" because they become unintentionally pregnant is false. The majority of Women who have an abortion were practicing some form of contraception which failed them. Further, all sorts of relationships produce unintended pregnancies - married, unmarried, positive, healthy, unhealthy, negative, etc. Married Women have abortions too. AND, the majority of Women who have an abortion every year already have at least one child.

Peace,
Jenna

Carla

Horrifying hardly begins to describe the experience of killing your own child. There are not enough cookies in the world to help you deal with that fact.

Lucille

I guess that's what I'm asking--What could possibly be so wonderful that one might choose to kill one's own child in order to have IT? I 'get it' that IT has a higher priority than your child's life and your sharing in it. I would just like an example of what IT could be that is so compelling. (In other words, what worthwhile thing could I be having if I had killed my children?)

As for "helpless" women. . .first a woman is so weak as to allow herself to be impregnated, apparently against her wishes; possibly by an abusive man (a relationship proceding out of weakness). Then, failing to see any way to avoid "sharing" the child with said abusive man, or failing to see any other way out of the consequences of her initial weakness, kills the child. This seems to be an act of desperation, the last-ditch effort of a helpless, irrational woman. This woman sees her CHILD as her enemy, when in reality, the woman's own weakness is her enemy. The abortion is just the band-aid to hold her over until her next crisis.

In the US, there are roughly 1 million of these hapless women, each and every year.

Jenna

Lucille,
It IS something. It is whatever WE choose. That's the great thing about freedom and choice. We each get to make up our own minds as to what IS actually most important to us. And we don't have to adopt anyone elses priorities if we don't want to.

And having an abortion doesn't mean you are a "helpless" Woman. I don't even know where you constructed that straw man from.

Peace,
Jenn

Lucille

I'll attempt to sort through your sarcasm.

It appears that you are saying women choose abortion to avoid labor, delivery and parenthood. Killing your child does absolutely pre-empt those tremendous experiences.

I'd be curious to know for what you are saving yourself and your energies? It must be really something!

Lucille

If this is true, then women on a wide scale have accomplished very little.

I believe there are roughly 1 million abortions in the US each year, which adds up to many helpless women.

I see no more reason to "share" a child with an abusive man than I do to kill one for lack of any other option.

Please.

Jenna

Lucille,
"Women provide abortions and have abortions because if they don't, they perceive they can't be equal to men."

No, not at all. Women have abortions because, for whatever reason, they cannot remain pregnant or give birth. The reasons vary. Some may have to do with men as in, "I cannot share a child with the man abusing me", just as an example but it's rare that the decision has to do with a man at all.

Peace,
Jenna

Jenna

Ashley,
Perhaps you're mistaken about my previous post? I was responding to what Kmerian had posted. If you read my whole post, you can see that I was not, in any way, being judgemental of Women or advocating that they be judged. Far from it, actually. I apologize for not directing my post directly to Kmerian.
Peace,
Jenna

Lucille

Isn't feminism all about being equal to men? Women provide abortions and have abortions because if they don't, they perceive they can't be equal to men.

I guess you don't want to actually BE a man, just as much like one as possible while still being a woman. Thank you for clarifying.


SoMG

Lucille, that's right. Women provide abortions, and choose abortions, because they are afraid of being women. They believe that providing or having abortions will turn them into men. ROTFL!

Lucille

I wouldn't want to be "helped" by a sick woman. It is a truly sick woman who tries to make a serious argument characterizing a fetus as an aggressor against her mother. A person who offers me a warm recliner and yummy cookies makes a nice gesture, but the person who truly loves me will help me to see my situation in the context of my lifetime.

I think many of the women posting here are so afraid of being a woman that they are incapable of empowering themselves to place their sexuality in a context that will lead to a fulfilling life without regrets.

Ashley

As a recently graduated college student headed to medical school- you providers inspire me with your continued work and dedication to women's reproductive choice. Thank you.

AW

Yes, Jenna, that's exactly what this post said. It's okay to have abortions if you give the woman a cookie. Verbatim.

I'm not surprised you missed the part where the woman was grateful for not being judged.

Anna

What about the children who are born to inept mothers and fall through the cracks in our inadequate foster care/adoption systems? DFACS is already overloaded, and that's not fair either.

emsue

...and that's why the women in your life won't confide in you, stike, should the need arise. and how does said woman not take any of the so-called blame in your world? would you reject her? or love her regardless? you don't have to like/approve of everything someone does to love and support them.

Mellankelly

kmerian - If this happened you should report it to the proper authorities immediately... frankly, I have to say that the story reeks of anti-abortion urban myth but I would be mortified if this happened and was never brought to the attention of The Powers That Be (as it certainly goes against Planned Parenthood's mission statement).

SoMG

Stike, that's entirely up to the women in your life.

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